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My stats from 4 years' of recommending stories and fanvids on [livejournal.com profile] crack_van:

Gen: 44 %
Slash: 38 %
Het: 18 %

Upon reviewing PadmeKSkywalker's "Legacy of Strength", noting that there is a tinge of canon pairing with Padmé appearing in the last chapters, yearning mightily and looking long at upstandingJedi!Anakin, my question is this: does this make it het rather than gen? What of the ethereal

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relationship that Anakin shares with Obi-Wan at the very last? Does this make it slash? And so, a poll:[Poll #1837416]

Ticky or comment, please ~

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A plea for those wiser than I: I want a reader. I want to download, say, "Riding The Wheel Of If" on it. Can I do this on a Kindle? I am finally in the market.

Date: 2012-04-30 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chameleon-irony.livejournal.com
What changes gen to het or slash?

I've been pondering that question and I still have no answer. In everything I've been writing recently, the line is so blurred it's impossible to distinguish. It depends on the reader's point of view, I guess.

Date: 2012-05-01 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyncatastrophe.livejournal.com
For me, het or slash means a relationship that is ongoing or consummated during the course of the fic. So, for instance, the Eowyn/Aragorn example you gave would still be gen for me in the context of the LOTR story (because it never goes anywhere and they both end up with other people), but could be recontextualized as het if one did an introspective fanfiction for Eowyn (among other possibilities).

Kindle will read most things, including .pdfs. I've had a good experience with mine.

Date: 2012-05-02 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyncatastrophe.livejournal.com
I've never tried to read html files downloaded to my Kindle; I have an easy way to convert to .pdfs, which work very well. I know that Kindle can access webpages in html, but it requires an internet connection when doing so. If you can give me a link to the story, I can convert it to .pdf for you? Takes me about fifteen seconds, usually. So - let Wyn do it is the easy fix? lol.

Re: I shall put on my thinking cap and ...

Date: 2012-05-02 04:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyncatastrophe.livejournal.com
Got it! I have to do each link individually, so you'll get them in separate pieces. (That may save you some money anyway, as Kindle charges for really big files I think?) If you can pm me your Kindle address (whatever@kindle.com), then I'll start sending them and you should be able to read them through the app or cloud reader so you can test them out even before the Kindle itself gets there. Which version did you order?

Re: I shall put on my thinking cap and ...

Date: 2012-05-02 05:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyncatastrophe.livejournal.com
It depends - Kindle can do some file conversions for you automatically; it charges a small fee for that. I think it may also charge a similar fee for very large .pdf files, but I'm not positive on the second count. The good news is that in either case, you can choose not to let it do this, and you can also set a "cap," so that it won't do the service if the charge is going to be over a certain amount. You go to Amazon and then "manage your kindle" and it has some options for downloading files and so forth. It's worth playing around there a bit; there are some neat features.

I've got the first eleven chapters ready to go! :)
From: [identity profile] wyncatastrophe.livejournal.com
I would not worry about it lots? It has charged me all of two times, I think - and I routinely transfer large files. [ETA: the wifi vs. 3G thing would explain why I have charges (more than two, actually, 'cause I just checked - but not tons) for some .pdfs and not for others; it's not charging me when I use the wifi in my apartment instead of the 3G on the road, because it finds my wifi automatically. The Kindle is smarter than Wyn, always handy …]

….and I looked it up! Here is what it says:

Whispernet Delivery Options
You can change document delivery options for your Kindle devices or set the maximum charge for a single personal document sent wirelessly over Whispernet to your Kindle with 3G support. Personal documents exceeding the maximum charge will not incur a fee and will only be available for delivery via Wi-Fi or USB transfer.


So it looks to me as though what you can do (although I've never tried to actually do it) is transfer .pdf and .doc files, if you want to, from your computer via USB (comes with the Kindle anyway), thereby to avoid the charge. If you have the not-3G enabled device, then it shouldn't matter anyway? My most recent charge was $1.95, for delivering a 12mb file over "Whispernet."

If you want to search this thingy for yourself, you go to "manage your kindle" and then click on "personal document settings." It's not scary, I promise! :) Kindles are Da Bomb.
Edited Date: 2012-05-02 05:53 am (UTC)

Re: Summer school, here I come ...

Date: 2012-05-02 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyncatastrophe.livejournal.com
Even Kakkik can operate a Kindle. Well, temporarily. Her personal bioelectrical field does prove inimical to electronics sometimes, and they occasionally just short out on her. No, I'm not kidding. She's had the Kindle since August, same time I got mine (ridiculously indulgent birthday presents from our parents), and used the warranty four times. I know about a dozen people with Kindles, none of whom has had a single problem - except for Kakkik. And it's not the device - she also cannot wear a watch, operate an iPod for more than a few weeks at a time, or keep headphones. Anything electrical goes crazy around her if she handles it much. She touched my computer while she was here for a visit and it started flashing wildly and turning on random drives and basically acting like R2-D2 after the blaster shot in ROTJ. I had to move her across the room, shut it down and try again - and then it was fine (although she has not been allowed to touch it since). Never had a problem before or since. It is unambiguously the spookiest thing I've ever seen. You ought to catch her with static electricity sometimes, it's like Doc Brown only without the stable personality. So far, no one has been able to explain Kakkik's Mysterious Electromagnetic Field, although the family doctor did helpfully tell her once that she just wasn't wired quite right. (I think that, at different points, he must have said this to everyone in the family, always for a different reason. So either we're just really weird, or it is his go-to technical diagnosis.)

So anyway. Yeah. The Kindle is a good experience, unless your personal electrical field goes haywire on a regular basis. You operate Graystache, so I'm thinking you're probably safe. I got water all over mine (tramping across campus in the rain: not advisable), and it was totally fine. I carry it in my purse and sleep with it and fall asleep on it and use it in random places and it works great in all lights, temperatures, and weather conditions. Totally cozy. I read fanfics and school assignments and smutty romance novels and Derrida on it. I put a copy of my thesis on it. You can put artwork on it, too, but it will come out black and white - kinda artsy? You can also listen to audiobooks and MP3 files, although I usually don't. I got a case for mine, but Kakkik stores hers in a Ziplock bag. I feel sure this can't be good for the electricity issue. Is it 3rd gen?

Re: Ahah, the voice of experience.

Date: 2012-05-02 06:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wyncatastrophe.livejournal.com
Yep. Safari does most of the work for me - I tell it to print, and then it gives me the option to make a .pdf instead, and I do. I love it when things are easy! :)

Date: 2012-05-01 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlofavalon.livejournal.com
I'm with chameleon_irony, it depends on the reader's point of view.

Now, I confess that, personally, I tend to side-eye fics labelled as gen that are not character study, which probably means I'm missing out on a lot of stuff I might like, but... I actually do have a reason that is not "fandom is about the shipping", but is complicated to explain.

Date: 2012-05-01 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlofavalon.livejournal.com
Hmm... it's not exactly that 'gen' makes me think of all action. The main issue for me is the "romance is so last season/mainstream" trend that I see going around, where romance is not "cool" and 'gen' is. I don't buy into that notion, just as I don't buy into the idea that romance and a good, interesting plot are mutually exclusive. It's more of a protest — albeit a silly one — than anything.
Edited Date: 2012-05-01 08:24 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2012-05-01 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] generale-kenobi.livejournal.com
As a basic rule, I think that if the romance content is just a (minor) part of the story and not the focus of the story, the story can be considered gen (see Star Wars and Anakin/Padme pairing. No one would consider the canon a romance story...or so I hope!)

However, as it is common practice to alert the readers when there is a same sex pairing in the story -- because a lot of people don't like same-sex pairings -- it takes far less to turn a gen story into a a story needed to be labelled as slash or, at least, as gen-slash.

Date: 2012-05-01 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philstar22.livejournal.com
Personally, I think gen stories don't have pairings. Or maybe they have mention of the existence of a pairing without showing an actual feelings. But I think this story would be both het and slash. If I'm looking for gen, I'm not looking to read about romantic relationships. And at least if you are going to label it gen, include the mention that pairings are mentioned somewhere. Some people really don't like certain ships. In this case, I love both. But some people might not like Anakin/Padme or Anakin/Obi-Wan. If they are looking for gen and end up reading about relationships they don't like, that can be frustrating for a reader and can feel like a bait and switch.

And don't get me started on people who write actual romance scenes for canon relationships and still label it gen because they consider fics with canon relationships to still be gen.

Date: 2012-05-02 04:39 am (UTC)
nic: (Leia)
From: [personal profile] nic
Well, I would consider it gen if the romance scenes are just part of the story rather than the point. ;)

For me, that's what it comes down to. If the relationship (a romantic one) is the focus of the story, it's het or slash.

If the focus of the story is an adventure, with the relationships (typically canon relationships) just a side-factor, then it's gen. Which makes most STAR WARS novels gen, and "The Courtship of Princess Leia" an exception.

Date: 2012-05-02 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] philstar22.livejournal.com
I don't agree. I think that if romantic relationships happen in a story, they aren't gen. The three types are gen, slash, and het. Genre is a whole other level: adventure, drama, angst, etc. don't contradict the story also being romance. A story is slash if it contains homosexual relationships (femslash for lesbian relationships). A story is het if it contains a heterosexual relationship. A story is gen if it does not contain any romantic relationships. Romance is a type of genre. I wouldn't call an action/adventure story romance unless romance was also a big part of the plot. However, if a het or slash relationship happened, I would also not call the story gen.

Basically, genre is a completely different thing from gen/slash/het. Those latter categories aren't even used, generally, in the publishing world. They are mostly fanfic classifications.

Date: 2012-05-02 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caffeinatedkate.livejournal.com
Well, I would consider it gen if the romance scenes are just part of the story rather than the point.

Pretty much what I was going to say.

Example. Last year, I read a pretty epic fic that for the most part was comedy although it also had its darker moments. It starred several characters, including a same-sex couple but they weren't the focus of the fic and there was at least one character who got more page-time than they did. They could have been written as just friends and the main plot would have been unaffected. Therefore, I would call it gen rather than slash.

Date: 2012-05-01 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabeth-hoot.livejournal.com
For me, it's about focus. What is the story about--where's the emotional center at? If it's on a pairing(s), it's het/slash/whatever. If it's on something more general, it's gen.

So, a post-ROTJ fic about rebuilding the Republic and the Order is gen, even if Leia kisses Han on her way out the door. But the fic I read where Leia is brought up on Tatooine with Luke is hetfic, because the focus was on how it affects her relationship with Han. If it'd looked at the story generally and focused on, say, the changes in Luke and Leia's relationship with each other, Obi-Wan, Han, and Vader, it'd have been gen. Pairings or no pairings.

Date: 2012-05-02 04:40 am (UTC)
nic: (Luke)
From: [personal profile] nic
I agree. It's where the emotional center is. (If there's no emotional center, it's clearly gen! ;)

Date: 2012-05-02 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabeth-hoot.livejournal.com
Heh! Happily, I haven't read much without an emotional center. But I do think it's very odd to see things like my ROTJ AU get labeled as Han/Leia hetfic when Han is in carbonite until the last chapter.

(It's a bit lulzy, because I just had a conversation about gen vs slash a few days ago, and there I was the hardliner 'no, that's not gen.' Brain whiplash!)

Re: Thank you for commenting.

Date: 2012-05-02 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabeth-hoot.livejournal.com
It was pretty clear what the Leia fic was focusing on from the outset, tbh. And sorry, I read it on a different computer - I've looked around, but I can't find it. It wasn't on one of the main fanfic sites, it was an individual author site. I'll let you know if I ever do dig it up, though - it was pretty good, so it'd be nice to re-read!

Date: 2012-05-05 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-blue-moon-cat.livejournal.com
The Nook is coming out with Glowlight tech, but I haven't been in a B&N store to look at it.

I'm old-fashioned. I prefer print. I only read stuff online like fic that I can't get elsewhere. I miss print 'zines.
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